Book V Chapter 4 of the Brothers Karamotsov. Now dont get me wrong, I dont read Russian Novels. I don't have the patience or intellect to read them. Yet I am told Dof.. was planning to write a seperate book on each of the brothers, and I think I would have read Ivan. John Carbonara had our class read Rebellion when I was in collage, and its one of those things that never really leaves you once you've read it,

What do I care for a hell for oppressors? What good can hell do, since those children have already been tortured? And what becomes of harmony, if there is hell? I want to forgive. I want to embrace. I don't want more suffering. And if the sufferings of children go to swell the sum of sufferings which was necessary to pay for truth, then I protest that the truth is not worth such a price. I don't want the mother to embrace the oppressor who threw her son to the dogs! She dare not forgive him! Let her forgive him for herself, if she will, let her forgive the torturer for the immeasurable suffering of her mother's heart. But the sufferings of her tortured child she has no right to forgive; she dare not forgive the torturer, even if the child were to forgive him! And if that is so, if they dare not forgive, what becomes of harmony? Is there in the whole world a being who would have the right to forgive and could forgive? I don't want harmony. From love for humanity I don't want it. I would rather be left with the unavenged suffering. I would rather remain with my unavenged suffering and unsatisfied indignation, even if I were wrong. Besides, too high a price is asked for harmony; it's beyond our means to pay so much to enter on it. And so I hasten to give back my entrance ticket, and if I am an honest man I am bound to give it back as soon as possible. And that I am doing. It's not God that I don't accept, Alyosha, only I most respectfully return him the ticket."

and I must say I have never been able to completely shake Ivan's words, nor anwser them, and often I want to stand with him. To say to the Almighty, Myself, Ivan, Even Lucifer, we all played our roles, we all read the lines on this stage you have given us, but you wrote this tragedy - and damn you for writing it but I want no part of your ticket.

If I may be allowed though to recommend this to you, if it seems much to long read only page 4. Its very much worth your time. Rebellion.